Thursday, December 27, 2007

The Secrets Ann Sieg Won't Tell You...

OK, You have seen ads everywhere - "Xango Won't Tell You" - or insert just about any network marketing company in there. (And now Ann Sieg teams up with her #1 competitor - Mike Dillard - so expect even more.)

But have you ever wondered what Ann Sieg isn't telling you?

The Renegade Network Marketer is a basic e-book on PPC marketing with some multilevel marketing thrown in (so you'll promote her book). There's also talk about "affiliate marketing" but in her usage it's mostly a redefinition of multilevel marketing.

I've been fascinated by how many ads I see and yet I see very few of her "affiliates" marketing her stuff. Maybe they are all marketing other things - that's possible but it turns out that's not true.

Talking with a man claiming to be a consultant working with Ann I found out that Ann runs over 11,000 keywords.

She won't tell you what they are...

Those are her closely guarded secrets as are her ads. So she doesn't share the truth about what she did to supposedly sell 1000 copies of Andre Vatke course "How To Turn Cold Leads Into Hot Prospects" per month. (Note that the data she shows on her site - sales, prospects etc. had nothing at all to do with her 'The Renegade Network Marketer' program since it predates it.)

She has not even shared this information with her friends!
  • Her sponsor in Send Out Cards only advertises on 150 keywords!
  • Her best affiliate runs just over 1000.
  • Only 1 in 120 affiliates ever advertises her ebook. Out of those who do only 1 in 43 do so for more than 30 days!
  • I have received 32 letters to date from people who have lost hundreds, even thousands running Renegade and Magnetic Sponsoring ads without generating a single lead.
This is because the real secrets to her success are just that... secret!

It's what this keywords list reveals and the pages they go to that are her big secrets. You can't pay her to give them to you. If she did she would lose her advantage.

This proves the point that if a company needs you to advertise it's product in the same place it already advertises - there's a catch! When you have hundreds or thousands of marketers advertising the same thing in the same place - the catch is that you're getting screwed!

Want the keyword list? Write me a short message letting me know your reason for wanting the list and I'll send it over in a text file.

Thursday, December 20, 2007

Truth Challenge for Wendy Mills

Former Leaders Club marketer Wendy Mills has made more than a wee bit of noise on her termination from the company.

I recenty noticed Wendy running some charged ads reminiscent of political attack ads on Leaders Club. So I visited some links and saw Wendy still harping on her termination and using some irrational logic to justify her stand.

I asked Wendy some very simple questions about her stance on her blog but I guess I hit a nerve… (Access Wendy Mills' Blog Here)

She deleted my comments. }:-(

What’s the reason for this? Could it be Wendy isn’t being honest?

No one expects Wendy to agree with whatever reason it was that she was terminated. But to attack bystanders as pawns while claiming to be above reprieve is going to far.

So here’s my challenge… I’ve posted my response to her comments here. I’ve e-mailed Wendy and asked her to post her rebuttal here.

So here goes…

Wendy responded to another poster regarding a statement they made about a former Leaders Club employee:
“How do you know what is true in the statement Leaders Club makes about the
termination of Jeff Zalewski?

Without knowing what he says it is difficult to judge isn't it?”
In response I pointed out that this logic works both ways. In other words if Wendy can ask a poster “How do you know what is true…” why can’t we ask her the same thing?

I have not seen a statement by Jeff Zalewski or by Leaders Club on this and I’m wondering what Wendy Mills knows, how she knows it and what hard evidence she actually has.

She responded:

The truth of the matter is, I have absolutely no interest in revenge and have been doing very well since all this nonsense. Even though Leaders Club had no right to take the income I had earned nor keep my residual income, I have more than made up for that income loss in the last 6 months. That is why it is so important to have multiple income streams and not have "all your eggs in one basket" in our industry.

I, and the others involved, certainly had enough justification to bring a class action lawsuit against Leaders Club, but personally I really had no interest in spending the time, energy and money, in doing so. The lawyers end up getting it all in the end, so my focus has been to get on with building my business.

As "mlmtruth" knows, I had nothing to do with Leaders Club going downhill. I was a guest speaker on several of the training calls, but had nothing to do with the running of the company: the drop in lead quality, poor customer service at corporate offices, and more.

I have no reason to lie about Jeff Zawlewski, but Leaders Club certainly does. My
purpose in posting information about Leaders Club was simple to warn others so
they would not find themselves in similar circumstances.

"mlmtruth" is the one who needs to "get over it".
My response is this (Posted here since Wendy deleted it from her blog…)

Wendy says, “I have absolutely no interest in revenge and have been doing very well since all this nonsense.”

The truth of the matter is that Wendy is running ads on Leaders Club and states on her landing page:

From Wendy's Page: “Leaders Club doesn't want you to know the truth, but you can read what really happened on my blog.”

What’s the point of this if it’s not crying sour grapes?

Wendy says, “Even though Leaders Club had no right to take the income I had earned nor keep my residual income, I have more than made up for that income loss in the last 6 months.”

Then why run ads like that on such a low traffic keyword? And would you be willing to show us how much income you’re talking about? One could understand your venom if you lost a $10,000 a month income. On the other hand if you are making this much noise over $500 a month I would say it’s revenge.

Wendy says, “I have no reason to lie about Jeff Zawlewski, but Leaders Club certainly does.”

Can you tell us what reason Leaders Club has to lie about Jeff Zalewski? And what are they saying that is untrue – I have not read a statement by either party – please clear this up.
So there you have it Wendy. Please answer these questions for us in a place where you can’t delete rebuttals or follow-up questions.

Monday, December 10, 2007

Friday, November 2, 2007

OK Ann Sieg, do you really believe that?

On Oct. 1 we told you that Ann Sieg would soon offer a new course.

Just 16 days later she announced her new training program which promises network marketers the following...
You'll never have to pitch anyone on anything again.
People will pitch YOU on why you should let them work with you.
People swallow that crap!?!

Not even Ann believes this!

Just read her site, her e-mails, even the statement above and you quickly see it's nothing BUT "pitch"!!!

She just hopes you are too dumb to notice. Do as she says, not as she does...

You can learn all of Ann's true secrets by watching her! If you are OK with stealing, lying and cheating you can learn a lot!

Monday, October 1, 2007

Sold Into Slavery by Ann Sieg?

Fallen for any great lies recently?

How about this one...

"Succeed At Network Marketing By Burning Your Names List, Ditching The Thursday Night Hotel Meetings And NEVER Paying For Another Opportunity Lead Again" - Ann Sieg (headline from her landing page)

How many Renegade students actually do this?

It's not hard to find out...

Ann's eBook and "system" is all about running your own Google AdWords ads to generate your own leads. Nothing new there - especially since you can learn about 1000 time more from her AdWords Guru Perry Marshall himself - only his book is available for $13 on Amazon.

The "key" as Ann says is to advertise her eBooks and use them to generate leads and even direct sales.

Is anyone actually doing this?

According to Ann, she has over 1000 people a month joining her system. Yet 99% of the ads running on Google are paid for by... (drum role please) Ann Sieg!

The following people provide testimonials on how great her system works...

  • Cyndi Williams - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Michael Lemm - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Dale Steward - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Christian Marquez - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Katherine Nyby - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Scott Rogers - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Sherry Higdon - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • McKay Earl - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Carrie Kearsle - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Alicia Bausley - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Nancy Christenson - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Patricia Kagwiria Makhulo - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)
  • Curt Johnson - Not on AdWords (10/01/2007)

Hmmm... so what's the deal?

The real deal is that Ann wants you to buy leads from her. When you purchase her eBook she sells your name to one of her associates for as much as $5.00. That's why you don't see them advertising her stuff!

One person even told me that they are forced to buy leads from her and that she will stop supporting them if the don't do exactly as she says - including spending thousands on leads.

And the payoff?

Ann's associates are forced to promote "Send Out Cards" to the leads they buy. They are essentially sold into slavery with the promise of easy riches.

Way to go!

All while we verified a post in this bolg from earlier this year...

Ann S. of Minnesota says, “I started implementing what I learned and you know what happened? I started being successful. Wildly successful. In just a little more than a year, I retired my husband from his airport job! And started consistently sponsoring no less than 20 people every month!” About this course she says, “This course How To Turn Cold Leads Into Hot Prospects gives you a start-to-finish 'blueprint' on how to get a pre-qualified lead to ask you for more information about your opportunity... how to automatically increase their interest level before you even talk to them... how you can naturally position yourself as an expert rather than a nuisance... and how to easily guide them to the close without any ridiculous mental 'tricks.'” found on

So there you have it... the truth - or at least something closer to it.

- KW

PS - Look of a new course offered by Ann soon! You heard it here first.

Thursday, September 27, 2007

Hey copycats, copy this...

Here's an interesting thought that never occurred to the Magnetic, Hypnotic, Renegade Marketers...

"I'd rather be an original than a facsimile. Wouldn't you? I also think it's easier to have a hit then to try to ride someone else's coattails. I'd place my attention on creating a hit... it's more fun anyway. " - Michael Port

Why is it that the so many so called leaders are one hit wonders?

Think about it!

Tuesday, August 14, 2007

More stupid crap... only this time it's free

I still find it funny to see all the hype and competition is the "ebook" market. Everyone has a secret to sell but no one really has a secret. It's like there are no secrets.

Here's another stupid affiliate site I came across that openly shares much of what people pay for with Ann Sieg's Renegade Network Marketer. (To be fair, Ann does not teach you how to make porno ads like these scamsters do...)

The premise of this particular $67 course is to show you how to get free Google AdWords ads.

It's a complete pile of crap - as you probably already figured! In fact the folks at Google said that there is no way to get AdWords for free. What is free is the natural listing and ranking. But that's not the way they sell it.

Check out this wonderful line from the webpage "And BEST of all, I’m NOT lying (I really do get literally $millions$ in FREE advertising each & every year at ALL the TOP Search Engines!)" --> There you have it! If they say they are not laying, well... There may be a technical difference between lying and telling the truth - and no-one is getting millions in free AdWords ads! ( the disclaimer on the site - that should settle it!)

Here's a good thing to remember in your search for the perfect marketing program...

A bowl of steaming crap
is still a bowl of crap
no matter how much it costs
or how they dress it up

Saturday, July 7, 2007

My experience in Leaders Club...

I joined under Christian Marquez in April and want to share my experience with Leaders Club.

First, I can say that I was happy with my membership. I appreciate Christian turning me on to Leaders Club. So I don't have any personal hard feelings toward him. What is an issue is that Leaders Club allowed others to contact me from the Leaders Club group. This has turned me off to Leaders Club being a safe place for my downline.

Here's the time line:

On May 21 I started getting e-mail messages from Ann Sieg and her new system. It was a long message but here's a little bit of it:
The reason I'm emailing you about it [name], is because I decided to show
other people how to do this themselves.

Not only that, but I decided that the best thing to dowas to also give
people the ability to use my ownsystem if they wanted to.

This program isn't ready yet and I'll have more details for you later but I
just wanted to give you a little heads up on it because I'd like to give you
theoption of previewing it before anyone else does.

Aside from a select group of people on my own team, you will be the first
this breakthrough material will ever be made available to.

I wanted to do this as a way of saying thanks forhaving invested your time
with me.

That's about all I can tell you for now, except this:

This is something that has never been done beforein the history of network
marketing, affiliatemarketing or internet marketing.

I'll keep you posted...

To Your Success,

Ann Sieg

On June 1st I get an e-mail from Curt Johnson including his website and an opportunity to join him in his various businesses. I can assume that my downline would get this too if they were in Leaders Club:

The WorksTeam is taking things to the nextlevel - and hope you are looking
forward tothe next part of the journey as much as weare. To come along
though, you need a "ticket!"(The call and training is FREE, and you don'thave to
belong to ANY particular company, BUTyou must have a personal connection to
theWorksTeam to participate.)

Don't be left out! There is no reason not to comealong with us, but
you do have to ask.

On Behalf of "The Works Team,"


Curt Johnson

Curts e-mails were a weekly occurrence. I complained to Leaders Club about this. I've never talked to this guy, I assume from what I was told that he's in my upline. Why is an upline allowed to promote to their downline like this - that's not endearing. Do they do this to everyone?

On June 11th I got the following e-mail from Ann Sieg:
Today is your chance to get my new system"The Renegade Network Marketer"
for half of whatanyone else will have to pay for it. This is the blueprint I
wish I had had when I was first getting started.

It would have saved me a lot of time and money and an even greater
amount of headaches. But then again, sometimes I'm glad I went through my
struggling years of mlm, harassing and begging people to join my

Because if I hadn't, I wouldn't have truly appreciated good marketing
when I saw it.

If you'd like to gain access to everything I've learnedabout attracting
people to me and getting them to sellthemselves on my opportunity, you'll want
to go to:

This invitation-only site goes "live" at 9am CST today!

At 8:59am CST on Tuesday morning, the 50% off discount will no longer be

In order to receive this discount, here's what you need to do:

If you ARE in Leaders Club, you MUST enter your 5 digit Leaders Club id# as
your promo code. This is very important.

Here's the short story behind that:

When John found my website in October of lastyear, he had only been in
mlm for 3 months and had already spent roughly $6,000 on leads...with
almostnothing to show for his efforts.

Since landing on my site, it's been quite the turnaround.

When our paths first crossed he had less than a 2% conversion rate with his
prospects (which is what I like about John - he tracks EVERYTHING. Anyone
who knows me knows I'm real big on tracking.)

Literally, within 24 hours of ditching the "sell and tell" methods, he
began sponsoring people into his business and his conversion rates shot to

He ended up sponsoring 28 people that month and he also managed to decrease
his expenses by 80%.

Not only that, but after teaching his downline what he had learned, they
began duplicating him and started bringing in 5-10 people a month themselves.

He also started making money - $50,000 in 5 months.

In December of '06 myself and my team did an interview with John to talk
about his complete

180degree change and what he was doing to get those results.

It was such a successful call and so popular with people that I decided I
really needed to get on the phone with John again and conduct "Part2" of

We ended up going over the exact process he takesa prospect through on the
phone and actually did quite a bit of role playing between him and

We also talked about what he does to get duplicationand big numbers from
his downline.

This audio is free for anyone who orders TheRenegade Network Marketer.

Here's the url again:

To Your Success,

Ann Sieg

Now I was getting upset. I PAID to join this company, Ann Sieg makes money on me and now she is selling me something else - I never spoken to her, she didn't sponsor me.

On June 25 I get an e-mail from Christian Marquez:

This past week has been a sad week and financial
setback for myself and many of my colleagues (about 20 of us) within Ann Sieg
Consulting & Associates. As of Friday, June 15th, we were blocked from
gaining access to our Leaders Club accounts. Later, it was found out that
they too had withheld our commissions checks for May. All of this without
advance warning.

Leaders Club's Founder and President, Andre Vatke's, states in a letter, that was emailed to me after the fact "based on information obtained by this office, it appears that you are involved in the promotion of "the" as created by Ann Sieg. This program has been found to be competitive with Leaders Club and your involvement in it is a violation of the CMC (Certified Markeing Consultant) program.

Well, let me give you a little background about
what this system was originally developed for. It was to build our Leaders
Club businesses and to help you build your primary businesses as well. The
techniques and strategies taught within the system were all learned and applied
by Ann Sieg outside of Leaders Club. Don't get me wrong, Leaders Club's audio
training are excellent in developing the sales skills (conceptual selling)
needed to be a professional network marketer.

Yet, Ann Sieg was developing an awesome marketing system that she herself researched on her own for the past 2 years and then applied as she was promoting Leaders Club's "How To Turn Cold Leads Into Hot Prospects" CD and workbook package. However, around late last year 2006, there were some disturbing reports about the quality of service and lead packages our subscribers were receiving at Leaders Club. Eventually, management within Leaders Club couldn't handle the business we were giving them. Ann
Sieg's team of leaders was bringing in over 80% of Leaders Club new business each and every month. In fact, Ann and many of her TOP Producers were EACH bringing in anywhere from 5 - 50+ subscribers each and every month. And from Sept/Oct 2006 at least 70% of the names listed on Leaders Club TOP Sponsor list were from Ann Sieg's team.

But there were problems due to this growth. They didn't have enough staff to service the huge amount of businesss we were bringing in. There were also reports of a crossline Leaders Club member and moderator of Leaders Club's forum stealing leads and sponsoring them as his own which our team members had already approached and marketed to.

If you wish to continue working with me, you can joining me through my link within the Renegade System. Just click on the following:

There is a one time charge of $67.00

When you join the Renegade System, you'll be able to access the Works Team training calls which we will continue to have. Plus, we are ramping up to offer training for The Renegade as well.

Take care and be well,


Christian Marquez
Ann Sieg Consulting Associate

Convenient that after blasting me for all these weeks you find that all of the sudden is was Leaders Club's fault. I never noticed any issues with Leaders Club - other than they let their top guys e-mail everybody in the downline. Leaders Club is great, Christian, I know you mean well, but I don't feel safe with either of you.

I know that Christan was paid his commision, I called Leaders Club and they confirmed it. So take this all, and make what you want out of it. I'm out. Thanks gals for letting me post this.

Monday, July 2, 2007

What you see and what you get from the Renegade

Take a look for yourself to see the Promised Information that is not available, and supposedly came with the Package. Over Promise and Under Deliver.

Is that why it was 1/2 price initially? Maybe 1/3 of the price is more appropriate.

The first 2 listed out of the 6 features promised and advertised are actually available in the Support Center SupportSuite (#'s 3, 4, 5, & 6 are not!):

1 - Register - Register a new account to submit new Tickets or manage subscriptions.
2 - Submit a Ticket – Select a Department
* 7 Great Lies of Network Marketing Support
* The Renegade Network Marketer Support
3 - Knowledgebase - View categorized listing of all common frequently asked questions.
4 - Troubleshooter - Take a step-by-step tour to find the solution to all your issues.
5 - News - View latest company news and announcements.
6 - Downloads - View our categorized library of downloads for all necessary manuals, software, etc.

Here are some things that are not quite what subscribers had bargained or paid for…

** What is the average order size and conversion rate?
-- "Solution"
** No "Solution" Available

** What if I forget or lose my login name and/or password?
-- "Solution"
** No "Solution" Available

Back office: "Troubleshooter Categories"

Troubleshooters allow you to follow a series of questions to find a specific answer. Please choose the category that is related to your area of interest in order to learn how to fix specific problems, perform important procedures, and read useful overviews.
** No "Troubleshooter Categories" available or offered at this time

Back office: "News"

Listed below are the latest News Items and Announcements from our Company. You can filter
the News Items according to a certain Dateline by selecting the Filter option from the
Navigation Bar.
** No "News" available or published at this time

Back office: "Download Categories"

The "Downloads Library" is organized into different categories. Please select a category that you are interested in. Additionally, you can also search the entire Downloads Library by entering keywords in the navigation bar beside this text.
** No "Download Categories" available or offered at this time

Back office: "Quick Start" Guide

Step 1 -- What you "see"

First things first, if you haven't already done so, you can create your free affiliate account by clicking on the My Account button.
This will generate your individual affiliate urls that you can direct your prospects to.
This also allows you to participate in the unique back end commission structure of The
Renegade System where you can earn money anytime one of your prospects purchase one of the recommended resources.
Once you've created your account, you can go back and edit your info anytime you like.

Step 1 -- What you "get" (Step 1 Works like a charm [for the Renegade AKA Ann Sieg] - You "get charged")

$$ Renegade Affiliate Signup Form $$ Ching Ching!

Just fill out the form below and your account will instantly be setup with your customized urls, emails and ebooks!
Make sure everything is correct because this is how you'll receive notification about prospects and sales, and it's also the information that will appear on your commission checks.
Once your account is created, you will also be able to upload your affiliate urls for all
back end resources. Note: Failure to fill in any of the data properly may result in the non replaceable loss of affiliate payments.

Step 2 -- What you "see"

After you've done that, you'll want to visit the "Marketing Tools pages." There is a separate page for both The 7 Great Lies Of Network Marketing ebook and The Renegade Network Marketer ebook.
In these pages you'll find a whole collection of professionally written pre-made ads that are all ready for you to use. After you create your account, your affiliate urls will automatically be embedded in them. You'll also find out how to use these ads with both free and paid traffic generation techniques.
Remember, all you have to do to make a sale or generate a lead is get someone to your landing pages. The system does the rest. Once they visit your website they're "tagged" to you so that even if they come back a year later and purchase, you get the commission.

Step 2 -- What you "get"

Marketing ToolsUnder Construction
Actually, this is a 404 not found error, which means something is missing from the site, but
because this site is so new, it's most likely that you tried to access something that doesn't exist yet. It's coming though, so don't worry!

Step 3 -- What you "see"

Head over to the "Training & Resources section." This area of The Renegade System is absolutely jam-packed with tips, techniques and little-known tricks of the trade that will be of enormous value to you as you go about building your business. Make sure to take advantage of everything back there because many people will charge you for this type of information.
Let me just give you a couple quick pointers right now to help you get the most of your efforts:
Before you begin to seriously ramp up your traffic generation, I strongly recommend becoming grounded in copywriting first. You don't have to master it, just get a basic understanding of how to use words that sell. Every method of advertising hinges on this ability. If you're out there snatching up every traffic generation product in sight but you haven't yet learned how to persuade people to take action, you're missing the foundational cornerstone that makes it all work.
Do not even think about doing ANY traffic generation until you've learned how to track the performance of all your individual ads. Please, I'm begging you. Save your money if you're not going to do this (the vast majority of affiliates don't). Click on the Tracking section to learn more.

Step 3
-- What you "get"

Training and Resources Under Construction
Actually, this is a 404 not found error, which means something is missing from the site, but
because this site is so new, it's most likely that you tried to access something that
doesn't exist yet. It's coming though, so don't worry!

Under Step 3 -- What you "get" (That you hadn’t planned on!)

You get at least 7 more affiliate links including at least 3 of them that cost you money. And of course a couple of Ann’s suggested books that pay her an affiliate commission too if you buy from her store.

Step 4 -- What you "see"

Begin uploading your affiliate urls for the different resources that are in The Renegade System. Take care of any two tiered programs first as they are the most important.
You won't be able to access this feature until you've created your account. (That means

Step 4 -- What you "get"

You’re looking at it. Nothing not even a link!

Step 5 -- What you "see"

Check out the "Reports section."
This is where you can view all your prospect's contact info, how many sales you've earned, what commissions are pending, how many sub-affiliates you have, etc.
This section also isn't available unless you've created an account. (That means PAID!)

Step 5 -- What you "get"

Reports Section Under Construction
Actually, this is a 404 not found error, which means something is missing from the site, but because this site is so new, it's most likely that you tried to access something that doesn't exist yet. It's coming though, so don't worry!

Step 6 -- What you "see"

If you ever need to re-download your ebooks or your free bonuses, just visit the bonuses/Ebooks page.

Step 6 -- What you "get"

Ebooks And Free Bonuses You must have Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these ebooks. If you don't have Adobe Reader, click the link below to get it free:Get Adobe Acrobat Reader FREE
To save any of these files to your computer just right-click and click "save target as..."
The Renegade Network MarketerClick here to download the ebook
The 7 Great Lies of Network MarketingClick here to download the ebook
Free Bonus #1 - The Renegade Network Marketer AudiosClick here to listen to part 1 (Intro)
Click here to listen to part 2 (Chapter 1)
Click here to listen to part 3 (Chapter 2)
Click here to listen to part 4 (Chapter 3)
Click here to listen to part 5 (Chapter 4)
Click here to listen to part 6 (Chapter 5)
Click here to listen to part 7 (Chapter 6)
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Click here to listen to part 9 (Chapter 8)
Click here to listen to part 10 (Chapter 9)
Having Trouble hearing the audios? Get Itunes here then download a 'podcast' here
Free Bonus #2 - "Selling Without Being A Salesperson - The Surprising Keys To Fearless
Comfort On The Phone"Click to Listen Online Using Adobe Flash Click to Download The Mp3 Using Your Preferred Method
Free Bonus #3 - The Virology ReportClick here to download the report
Free Bonus #4 - The Renegade System
You're in it!

Step 7 -- What you "see"

If you have any questions or need assistance, just click on the Help button above. This will
take you to The Renegade support suite. Please check the FAQs (frequently asked questions)
and knowledgebase before submitting a request for support as 99% of the answers have already been posted and can be found in there.
Doing this just helps our team provide you with a higher level of service as well as a system that is continually improving!
Speaking of, if you have any suggestions or thoughts about anything please let us know by using the form at the bottom of this page. We would love to hear your ideas. It's very important to us that we're constantly receiving feedback from people so that we're able to address their concerns and help them where they need it most.
Do you have any burning questions about how to build your business that need answering? Any
topics that you would specifically like to see addressed in The Renegade Newsletter or added
to the back end? Just use the form below to submit them.

Step 7 -- What you "get"

A “Help” Page that takes you to the Support Center SupportSuite (RED points below - not available - But Don't Worry!):
1. Register - Register a new account to submit new Tickets or manage subscriptions.
2. Submit a Ticket – Select a Department• 7 Great Lies of Network Marketing Support• The Renegade Network Marketer Support
3. Knowledgebase - View categorized listing of all common frequently asked questions.
4. Troubleshooter - Take a step-by-step tour to find the solution to all your issues.
5. News - View latest company news and announcements.
6. Downloads - View our categorized library of downloads for all necessary manuals,
software, etc.

Step 8 -- What you "see"

Last but certainly not least, I do need to mention our spam policy.
You can only use email marketing if it is to an opt in list or customer list that you yourself have built from scratch and already have an existing relationship with.
You cannot email your Renegade urls to genealogy lists, opportunity leads, co-registration leads, safe lists or any other type of purchased email lead.
If you violate these rules, we won't have any choice but to immediately terminate your account and forfeit any pending commissions you may have.
It's unfortunate that things have to be this way and we don't like having to come across
this harsh, but just one or two people practicing illegitimate email marketing methods can
jeopardize the entire system for everyone. So we're forced to have a strict zero tolerance

Suggestion Box

Once again, I'm glad to have you here and am looking forward to helping you build your business beyond what you ever thought possible.

To Your Success,

Ann Sieg

Additional Food for thought on a couple of questions found in the knowledge base:

How will I get paid?
There are two options for receiving payment.
You can choose to have your commission checks mailed to you, or you can choose ach payments - which is basically direct deposit.
If you choose to receive physical checks, there will be a $2.00 service fee per check.

Renegade Calculator Says:
If checks are issued at $20 and up and if you had a $20 commission check mailed, the $2 Service Fee is 10% of your $20 commission. Schweet - for the Renegade!

Another one to mull over:
How long does your referral period last?
Our referral period lasts for two years. This means that if you refer someone to our website
and if they make a purchase up to two years later, you will be credited for the sale.

Begs the Question...
Is there a 2 year renewal necessary for web site visitors? Better find out and mark you calendar.

Last but not least:
I’m sending traffic, but there aren’t any reported sales?
Make sure the traffic that you are sending to our website is qualified traffic from reputable sources. Unfortunately just generating traffic doesn’t necessarily guarantee that people are going to purchase.

Hmmm (one of Ann's favorite words, if you can call it a word) …
What happened to the Ann the Renegade's Promise of, "they come to you" concept?"

Friday, June 22, 2007

How to spot a SCAM...

I've been asked if there are any hard rules on spotting a scam. I think I would cite these:

1) Beware of paying for the pleasure. - There are a lot of so called opportunities that require you to purchase their product before they allow you to
become an affiliate. The only thing an affiliate should care about is your potential for selling thier product. In fact top affiliate programs review their member sites and marketing footprint prior to allowing them to become an affiliate.

2) Beware of the competition - Since everyone and anyone can sell stuff online competition can quickly get stiff with affiliate offers. The bottom line is that affiliates want access to markets and traffic they can't get on their own. When you open a People Magazine you don't see 15 ads for Bausch & Loum contacts. That would be a stupid waste of money. Yet, on the Internet, affiliate marketers are often running in the same places. If you pick an affiliate program to market - find one that will limit the number of participants.

3) Be prepared to lose it all - Business is a risk no matter how you dice it up. Don't let yourself fall victim for a scam out of desperation. Always keep in mind that you could lose it all.

A search on Google for Affiliate Listings will pull over 5 million pages!

Sunday, June 17, 2007

Who Taught Ann Sieg?

Hey! There's more to this blog! Click here to see more lies and scams exposed.

They say that "no man is an island" and it's obvious that no successful person has become successful on their own. Yet when you see the hype machines in full production, it seems as if the guru's did it all on their own - the immaculate conception of their own success.

Can I say how much I love the Internet and the ability to research this stuff right here from my own apartment? Here's what I dug up...

Ann Sieg has copied much of what she is doing from other people. She did not come up with this on her own! In fact according to one marketer claiming to be from her "mastermind group" she took what she could get from Leaders Club (Andre Vatke & Jeff Zalewski), Mike Dillard and few other minor sources and simply repackaged it as her own.

Looking back a few months (May 2007) at her website ( - now changed) it used to say the following...
"I have a couple of extremely-successful network marketing friends, Andre Vatke and Jeff Zalewski, who've made their fortunes in this business and now spend their time coaching and training others how to do the same. These are the guys that taught me the exact techniques I use."

"Problem is - normally this hard-hitting course is only available to members of a special training group that Andre and Jeff lead. But I wanted to give you access to this priceless information... so... I talked to Andre and worked out a deal to offer it to you for a very short period of time without having to become a member."
I could not get through to Andre Vatke but the staff at his company Leaders Club indicated that the relationship with Ann Sieg had gone sour and that they would not comment because it was an ongoing legal case. So it looks like Ann's story is much deeper then she lets on. Like I said before, these people will never tell you the truth - that would interfere with what they have to sell you.

Friday, June 15, 2007

Undeniable, Indisputable Proof and Oh my gosh, did you get Photoshop?

Turn up the heat on scammers and they wilt like weeds in the noon-day sun without water.

In an effort to deliver proof of earnings Ann Sieg has posted doctored screenshots of her credit union statements. These are supposed to be irrefutable proof that she did consistently earn $90,000 or more per month for some substantial period of time.

Just take a look at what is supposedly January's statement...

And here is the one from February...

Notice anything interesting?

  1. If even true, this is only a balance statement. It does not show anything of importance.

  2. All actual numbers are blurred and the final number is emphasised using an image program like photoshop.

  3. If true this statement either indicated that Ann had $96,000 of expenses between January and February or only made around $700. It also does not indicate that the final balance was actually collected during that month.

  4. No matter what, this sort of posturing is deceptive and illegal. According to the FTC: If respondents lack evidence that the high reported earnings of a few distributors are in fact representative of the earnings of large numbers of other distributors, then it is clearly deceptive.

What are the real numbers? Who knows? Who cares really? And why stop at $90K?

In 2 minutes I gave Ann a 1000% raise!

See how easy that was?

Don't allow anyone's earning claims to cloud your judgement. The more far fetched the less likely that you will see anything at all.

Do you really want to help Ann maintain her income?

According to Ann: "My MLM company commission checks are just one part of this income." This means that at best this income comes from something other than she is asking you to do - join over 30 affiliate programs! In other words "Do as I say, not as I do!"

Thursday, June 14, 2007

MLM Guru's, Bloggers and Crap Posters...

my dog knows more about marketing than you!
...and I'll save you $67, $214 or even $3,731 in the next 2 minutes!

So when you look into these 'brain child' marketing systems like the ones we expose here, you find out that all these clowns have done is a quick Google search and repackaged someone else's ideas as their own. Ann Sieg has plenty of advice on Internet marketing - some of the advertised features/benefits you have to pay extra for - but you can get it for free!

Here are some helpful resources...

Why do people pay for a "system" in the first place?


The odds of anyone except the first few people making money with these systems is extremely low. You're better off spending your money on lottery tickets.

The trouble is that these people know this. They know that there are countless desperate people out these looking for a quick and easy way to wealth and they will promise it. Flash you the big dreams and smile as they take your money. They know that they will be riding off with your loot before the law catches up.

If it were as easy as they promise everyone would be doing it. And when everyone is doing it, it's worth nothing. - It's basic economics.

Tuesday, June 12, 2007

Will the real Ann Sieg please stand up?

Just pop into some of the Business Opportunity Magazines and you'll see a lot of the same stuff.

Before everyone starts thinking that I'm just out to bash MLM and what some big time marketers are saying, let me clarify. Most of the big names - Ann Sieg, Mike Dillard, Joe Schroeder, et. al have some truth in what they will tell you. But they won't tell you the whole truth.

Take a look at Ann Sieg's current website: (

It looks surprisingly like her site from May 2006 offering a different product (Way Back Machine)

Current headline:

"Burn Your Names List... Skip The Hotel Meetings... And Never Bug a Single Friend or Relative Ever Again!"
May 2006 Headline:

"How to Succeed at Network Marketing by Throwing Your Names List Away, Ditching Your Thursday Night Hotel Meetings and Not Telling a Single Friend About Your Business"

Current Offer:

Her own eBook: The Renegade Network Marketer - Supposedly the system to end all other systems! Readers pay $67 for the right to resell her e-book and keep up to 50% (a multi-level offer). Just wait till there are a few hundred people advertising this and bidding $10 a keyword in Google! Ann will be the only one laughing - all the way to the bank... or court.
May 2006 Offer:

A free training CD which ironically has most of the SAME bullet points she offers in her eBook. A little digging and you find that Ann seems to have taken her cues from a company called Leaders Club - she even has an interview posted there saying as much!
And there's more...

The majority of her so called students are or were actually members of Leaders Club. Now, if Ann's not selling you Leaders Club, what is she selling you? The 8th Lie?

Helpful resources:

Ann Sieg Plea For HELP!!!

OK so I get this e-mail forwarded to me from an Ann Sieg target. When Ann Sieg talks about "Target Market" she's actually referring to a real "Target." One she intends on attacking and destroying with her tactics.

Looking at the email it becomes obvious to anyone that doesn't fall prey to false flattery that it's a pathetic plea for help! She needs all the help she can get! And... She's certainly not afraid to ask every living soul she can suck into her email data list for it.

When reading her beseeching pitiable email it becomes apparent to even an un-expecting novice that Ann is lost. But Ann has a way of asking in which she attempts to stroke her vulnerable and good faith victims into some sort of a "We're all in this together" sucker punch set up.

It becomes very obvious that it is drawing very close to her eBook Launch and she's already over-promised and under-delivered. She already missed the first 2 self imposed premature deadlines you know. But she still desperately needs help in getting her new eBook up and running so she can BS everyone into funding her project with what she calls in her eBook "Intel." She's a real trooper - a Storm Trooper! Storming over the innocent anywhere in her path of destruction.

Unfortunately for her; she can’t do a thing without having someone, or something to “copy,” “steal,” or at best "re-word" a little from. Yes a little. She can't come up with very much if any original material. She has no experience or track record other than a couple years of failure and whimpering to anyone that would assure her that she has to give it some time and be patient. But no! That is not the correct answer! She didn't then and she still doesn't exercise self-control and if she did... We wouldn't be subjected to so much concentrated blah blah blah, yada yada yada, Ann Sieg jargon and senseless crap!

Ann here's a thought! Imagine if you could get paid a buck for every time you asked someone, "Do you really believe this will work?" Now you would already be retired instead of ret---ed. My bad!

This is of the most obvious scams that has taken the already black-eyed Network Marketing Industry and its loyal do-gooders for a dismal and costly ride. This is going down as the "insult of your intelligence" perfect model. And it does look like it will set new and higher standards for these types of reckless rides and be one of the lamest ones ever conjured up since the turn of the Century!

As Ann likes to say (or repeat a common phrase she has borrowed from others) "Don't get me wrong!" I'll add a "Don't take my word for it!" And ask you all to simply take a look for yourself.

Go ahead and see what she was begging from her worn-out list of coveted leads. And of course included in that list are those names and email addresses she stole from her very own trusting and gullible downline.

Read on to see her plea for yet more help. Here is a Survey that she made sure any-one or any-thing with an email address, or that could provide "Intel" could help fund her "Promote Ann Sieg First" money sucker scheme. Oh yeah; keep in mind that she opened with the Subject Line: Quick Announcement And A Favor... Then she said she had 2 Questions (but whose counting) so let's take a look.

These are her questions and my own answers and responses below.

1. What are your two top questions about Network Marketing that I absolutely NEED to answer in this course?

1 - What are your credentials specifically and what company pays you the highest income? (OK I cheated. That was 2 questions already- see anyone can do it! She won't notice - I promise.)
2 - Where's proof of your income claim of $90K+ a month?
2. What price would be so low you would question the value of this system?

Any price for your double-talk circular reasoning hype is too high. You make the same claims that every other desperate online jealous and envious marketer does. You know those that punk peoples Uplines, company training, and of course the company leaders too. So they can get enlightened by a amateurish inexperienced Wanna-Be Self-Proclaimed Poser-Pro.

This adds up to empty bogus crap and you guarantee nothing but costing people good-faith investments of their own hard-earned good money.

It looks like a one-sided diarrhea of the mouth poor prospecting conversation transcript. Yawn… But more aggravating and personally insulting to a logical thinker.

3 - What price would be high enough you would value the information, but low enough that buying would be a quick and easy decision?

Are you kidding? This is embarrassing and pathetic! You want me to give you a magic number that can let you slip under the radar and fund you too? Free is too high!

It already costs too much time alone in just reading through your contradicting statements that you make regarding what others do that is a lie. And... You do the same thing and worse because you want to get paid for it.

The quick and easy decision for any logical person is to see through your BS and bust you for being a fraud so others don't get scammed by you!

4 - What price would be a bit high, but you would still invest in the system?

What system a BS worthless eBook based on false claims from a novice nobody? This is all BS and you should be ashamed of yourself! A penny and the time to read through your BS is well over-priced. It's not worth one red cent. You pollute the industry more than it already has been!

Go ahead and provide some actual proof and some references to check you out with!

5 - What price would be too high, regardless of the results my system will generate?

Any price as all is too high, and frankly; you must be high. You're definitely high on yourself and all you want is for others to do your own work for you so you can rip them off and quote them like you are legitimate.

You insult any reasonable persons intelligence right from the start.

Ann Sieg - Renegade, Outlaw, Traitor?

Ever wondered why someone would call themselves the "Renegade"?

renegade - Unconventional or unlawful person. Also: A person who gives up his or her religion, political party, etc. and goes over to the opposite side; traitor.

Did Ann really make $90,000 a month? I would love to see documentation. So far the biggest check I have been able to verify is $5,000 in one month. That's not bad but it's not $90K.

Did it cost her over $90,000 to make it? I don't care who you are, if you spend $95,000 to make $90,000, you're an idiot! And let's remember that $90K in sales is not the same as $90K in profit.

Did she do it with her "Renegade System"? Ann will never tell you what she really did.

How much will it cost you to generate a lead with the "Renegade System"? Considering your COMPETITION it could easily cost $30 or more PER LEAD! And what happens to the leads you generate with your own money? According to one of the assocaites (who asked not to be named), she will market to any lead she gets her hands on.

Who will earn the MOST from your efforts? It's not you!
Don't wash up with the Renegade...

do your homework.

Is Ann Sieg Is Being Honest With You?

In her free eBook Ann Sieg says: "The World of Network Marketing is About to Change... FOREVER!"

Truth, scam or outright crap?

Ann's eBook is a classic "funded proposal" it's the same thing that been around for a long time. Will it change the industry? Nope. Although there will probably be a few thousand people jumping in with a wish for making it big by getting in early on Ann's new system.

Here's are a few observations on her free eBook... (my comments in RED)

I'm not sure how you got here, but you've just stumbled upon something that is about to take the Network Marketing industry by storm. • It won't even drizzle.

(No... It's not yet another "ground floor opportunity" or new MLM company about to launch.) • It poses as one. Ann just hasn't figured out what to tie it to yet.

These tactics may have worked back in the 60s, when your parents (or grandparents) were in Amway... But TODAY in 2007 in our over-hyped, over-marketed world, people are just too busy and too skeptical for these tired, outdated, ineffective methods. • Ann Sieg is proving that to be wrong with her “not a company - opportunity” system & Product.

Fortunately... when you plug in to The Renegade Network Marketer System you can burn, throwaway or flush your names list forever! Because when you put into place the marketing system I hand you, you’ll never have to “chase” another prospect ever again. • If that was true then why didn’t Ann Sieg throw her list away?

Nope... From now on prospects will come to YOU. And when they do they’ll already be “sold” on what you have to offer. • Ann hasn’t stopped coming to her worn-out over-sold list since she first came up with this hair-brained brain-fart of an idea.

We are finalizing the development and testing of the most groundbreaking, step-by-step business building system ever to hit Network Marketing. • Ground-breaking and reputation-breaking are not the same but it will be business-breaking and heart-breaking for many.

This system has been almost two years in development and while it has already made it into the hands of a small group of the most elite network marketers on the planet, it is finally being made available to the public. • Not this Planet.

Many top MLM leaders are already talking about (and beginning to implement) this powerful system. In a couple of weeks the entire industry will be buzzing about what you've just been fortunate enough to discover. • Ann Sieg is definitely buzzed on something.

Truth - Ann Sieg is lying to you. If you are in Network Marketing I can promise you one thing...YOU'VE BEEN (being) LIED TO (right now)!