Saturday, July 7, 2007

My experience in Leaders Club...

I joined under Christian Marquez in April and want to share my experience with Leaders Club.

First, I can say that I was happy with my membership. I appreciate Christian turning me on to Leaders Club. So I don't have any personal hard feelings toward him. What is an issue is that Leaders Club allowed others to contact me from the Leaders Club group. This has turned me off to Leaders Club being a safe place for my downline.

Here's the time line:

On May 21 I started getting e-mail messages from Ann Sieg and her new system. It was a long message but here's a little bit of it:
The reason I'm emailing you about it [name], is because I decided to show
other people how to do this themselves.

Not only that, but I decided that the best thing to dowas to also give
people the ability to use my ownsystem if they wanted to.

This program isn't ready yet and I'll have more details for you later but I
just wanted to give you a little heads up on it because I'd like to give you
theoption of previewing it before anyone else does.

Aside from a select group of people on my own team, you will be the first
this breakthrough material will ever be made available to.

I wanted to do this as a way of saying thanks forhaving invested your time
with me.

That's about all I can tell you for now, except this:

This is something that has never been done beforein the history of network
marketing, affiliatemarketing or internet marketing.

I'll keep you posted...

To Your Success,

Ann Sieg

On June 1st I get an e-mail from Curt Johnson including his website and an opportunity to join him in his various businesses. I can assume that my downline would get this too if they were in Leaders Club:

The WorksTeam is taking things to the nextlevel - and hope you are looking
forward tothe next part of the journey as much as weare. To come along
though, you need a "ticket!"(The call and training is FREE, and you don'thave to
belong to ANY particular company, BUTyou must have a personal connection to
theWorksTeam to participate.)

Don't be left out! There is no reason not to comealong with us, but
you do have to ask.

On Behalf of "The Works Team,"


Curt Johnson

Curts e-mails were a weekly occurrence. I complained to Leaders Club about this. I've never talked to this guy, I assume from what I was told that he's in my upline. Why is an upline allowed to promote to their downline like this - that's not endearing. Do they do this to everyone?

On June 11th I got the following e-mail from Ann Sieg:
Today is your chance to get my new system"The Renegade Network Marketer"
for half of whatanyone else will have to pay for it. This is the blueprint I
wish I had had when I was first getting started.

It would have saved me a lot of time and money and an even greater
amount of headaches. But then again, sometimes I'm glad I went through my
struggling years of mlm, harassing and begging people to join my

Because if I hadn't, I wouldn't have truly appreciated good marketing
when I saw it.

If you'd like to gain access to everything I've learnedabout attracting
people to me and getting them to sellthemselves on my opportunity, you'll want
to go to:

This invitation-only site goes "live" at 9am CST today!

At 8:59am CST on Tuesday morning, the 50% off discount will no longer be

In order to receive this discount, here's what you need to do:

If you ARE in Leaders Club, you MUST enter your 5 digit Leaders Club id# as
your promo code. This is very important.

Here's the short story behind that:

When John found my website in October of lastyear, he had only been in
mlm for 3 months and had already spent roughly $6,000 on leads...with
almostnothing to show for his efforts.

Since landing on my site, it's been quite the turnaround.

When our paths first crossed he had less than a 2% conversion rate with his
prospects (which is what I like about John - he tracks EVERYTHING. Anyone
who knows me knows I'm real big on tracking.)

Literally, within 24 hours of ditching the "sell and tell" methods, he
began sponsoring people into his business and his conversion rates shot to

He ended up sponsoring 28 people that month and he also managed to decrease
his expenses by 80%.

Not only that, but after teaching his downline what he had learned, they
began duplicating him and started bringing in 5-10 people a month themselves.

He also started making money - $50,000 in 5 months.

In December of '06 myself and my team did an interview with John to talk
about his complete

180degree change and what he was doing to get those results.

It was such a successful call and so popular with people that I decided I
really needed to get on the phone with John again and conduct "Part2" of

We ended up going over the exact process he takesa prospect through on the
phone and actually did quite a bit of role playing between him and

We also talked about what he does to get duplicationand big numbers from
his downline.

This audio is free for anyone who orders TheRenegade Network Marketer.

Here's the url again:

To Your Success,

Ann Sieg

Now I was getting upset. I PAID to join this company, Ann Sieg makes money on me and now she is selling me something else - I never spoken to her, she didn't sponsor me.

On June 25 I get an e-mail from Christian Marquez:

This past week has been a sad week and financial
setback for myself and many of my colleagues (about 20 of us) within Ann Sieg
Consulting & Associates. As of Friday, June 15th, we were blocked from
gaining access to our Leaders Club accounts. Later, it was found out that
they too had withheld our commissions checks for May. All of this without
advance warning.

Leaders Club's Founder and President, Andre Vatke's, states in a letter, that was emailed to me after the fact "based on information obtained by this office, it appears that you are involved in the promotion of "the" as created by Ann Sieg. This program has been found to be competitive with Leaders Club and your involvement in it is a violation of the CMC (Certified Markeing Consultant) program.

Well, let me give you a little background about
what this system was originally developed for. It was to build our Leaders
Club businesses and to help you build your primary businesses as well. The
techniques and strategies taught within the system were all learned and applied
by Ann Sieg outside of Leaders Club. Don't get me wrong, Leaders Club's audio
training are excellent in developing the sales skills (conceptual selling)
needed to be a professional network marketer.

Yet, Ann Sieg was developing an awesome marketing system that she herself researched on her own for the past 2 years and then applied as she was promoting Leaders Club's "How To Turn Cold Leads Into Hot Prospects" CD and workbook package. However, around late last year 2006, there were some disturbing reports about the quality of service and lead packages our subscribers were receiving at Leaders Club. Eventually, management within Leaders Club couldn't handle the business we were giving them. Ann
Sieg's team of leaders was bringing in over 80% of Leaders Club new business each and every month. In fact, Ann and many of her TOP Producers were EACH bringing in anywhere from 5 - 50+ subscribers each and every month. And from Sept/Oct 2006 at least 70% of the names listed on Leaders Club TOP Sponsor list were from Ann Sieg's team.

But there were problems due to this growth. They didn't have enough staff to service the huge amount of businesss we were bringing in. There were also reports of a crossline Leaders Club member and moderator of Leaders Club's forum stealing leads and sponsoring them as his own which our team members had already approached and marketed to.

If you wish to continue working with me, you can joining me through my link within the Renegade System. Just click on the following:

There is a one time charge of $67.00

When you join the Renegade System, you'll be able to access the Works Team training calls which we will continue to have. Plus, we are ramping up to offer training for The Renegade as well.

Take care and be well,


Christian Marquez
Ann Sieg Consulting Associate

Convenient that after blasting me for all these weeks you find that all of the sudden is was Leaders Club's fault. I never noticed any issues with Leaders Club - other than they let their top guys e-mail everybody in the downline. Leaders Club is great, Christian, I know you mean well, but I don't feel safe with either of you.

I know that Christan was paid his commision, I called Leaders Club and they confirmed it. So take this all, and make what you want out of it. I'm out. Thanks gals for letting me post this.


Dan said...

This guy sounds like he is 6 years old. He is upset because his upline was offering him access to a team site they created to provide training on many things that are not covered anywhere right now and are importat tools for any network marketer. Things like the ACT contact managment program. This is MLM. Your upline taking an interest in you is a great thing. If you would have explored it a little further, you would have recieved all of the training material, book and links from Ann Sieg's Renegade system for free. May be you should take up kniting with your grandma. I am sure she will help you feel safe. Why are you so disturstful. You should be willing to look at everything, there is so much info on the web that if you opened your mind just a little, you could probably be successful with you business.

For those of you who do want quality content that will help you better understand today's marketplace and MLM, please check out the sight I have been working on for the last few months.

mlmtruth said...

Dan, for all the insults you deliver, I guess you don't get it either.

When people join a support program they are joining to get help with their current biz not to be offered a perpetual string of bullshit they have to pay extra for.

This might not be a big deal for you, but for most companies it is. I don't know of anyone other than the Renegades that like to raid downlines and steal from others that think it's OK for an upline several level up to offer someone another program - innocently in passing or not.

Thanks for making this person's point. And while they are "knitting with grandma" perhaps you could take a class in basic logic or God forbid business law (contracts, negligence and torts) - you can look those up.

Mike said...

I find this all kind of lame.

I was unimpressed by Ann Sieg and her Renegade program. Same thing I've seen over and over again. A lot of what is promised you have to pay another affiliate to get - so it's not even her all stuff that she's promoting on her site.

Wiseman1068 said...

Leaders Club

Let me reassure everyone. Leaders Club is a Professional Company. Once they heard Ann Seig, Christian and Curt Johnson was sending email to their down lines to have them enroll in another company they were let go from Leaders Club because they didn't follow the Leaders Club contract.

There are bad apples in every bunch. Curt Johnson was an up line to Ann Seig; Ann Seig was the up line to Christian Marquez. We have a list of who is our up line and down line so we can help them.

The Works Team was originally made to help people succeed in their Network Marketing Business. It was to help people in conjunction with Leaders Club.

There was no extra money to join The Works Team. If you were part of Curt Johnson's up line you automatically had access to the Works Team to help you build your business. They would help people build websites to promote themselves first. If they were able to create their own websites it could help them be more productive with any company they are promoting.

The Work's Team also gave more information on the data base system called ACT. That is a system that helps you keep track of leads. It is a very helpful tool no matter what business you are trying to promote.

There are some sponsors that are still learning and the other up lines is there to help us succeed with our businesses.

Leaders Club believes in helping people based on their wants and needs. If someone wants help with medical care and ask us for the information and then we can help them with it

Hope this helps